Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):
Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234)
Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)
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Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):
Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234)
Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)
Philip Rivers wrote:WELL WHY DOESN'T THE REST OF THE WORLD LIKE CAM AND CLAIM HIM TO BE A TOP QB, MESSIAH?
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1. Philip Rivers
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Manning
4. Andrew Luck
5. Cam Newton
Cam Newton is playing like a top five quarterback. He has thrown the ball better over the last month than any point in his career. It just so happens that he wasn't able to run for most of that time.
Did staying in the pocket make Newton a better passer? That seems like too convenient a narrative. It's more likely that Newton is developing like we all hoped he would. Newton -- and Andrew Luck -- should no longer be talked about as future great players. They might be young, but they've arrived.
Everyone expected the Panthers passing attack to collapse after the team jettisoned their top three receivers and watched half their offensive linemen retire in the offseason. Instead, Newton has led a dramatic improvement. FootballOutsiders ranks the Panthers passing attack seventh in the league. Newton's accuracy has been far more consistent, and Carolina is pushing the ball down the field. Cam is carrying a shaky offensive line that can't pass protect and a running game that featured Darrin Reaves and Fozzy Whittaker last week. He's making better decisions and taking fewer sacks. He's making the team around him better.
Fantasy owners were excited to see Newton run with abandon again in Cincinnati. The Bengals dared him to keep the ball on the read option and he responded with six first downs, a touchdown, and 107 yards. His running backs combined for 40 yards. Newton only ran twice in the first half, but he took what the Bengals gave him after that.
Newton's running ability adds enormous value, but it's his consistent throws that have impressed more this year. He no longer gets into funks for an entire half, and still brings the best fastball around. (Newton leads the league in throws that go too fast for the end zone angle camera operators.) Newton looks like the same quarterback every week, and that's the final step toward joining the best.
Messiah wrote:although much better at it this year, has in the past had difficulty making quick decisions with the ball (then again, Flacco sucks at this too).
Messiah wrote:But I already said Cam Newton isn't playing well today and I already said he isn't a top 10 QB.![]()
But yeah, I don't place any responsibility at all on him. Please. It is not my fault you are completely ignorant to the quarterback position.
And I couldn't care less if Flacco gets the ball out faster than Newton. I already said Newton sucks at that.
Philip Rivers wrote:You also said Flacco sucks at it. I asked you to prove it, basically to show people you're blowing steam out of your ass and don't know what you're talking about.![]()
Flacco led the league with 25 sacks in which he held the ball over three seconds. Flacco needs to get rid of the ball quicker, although we’d argue Baltimore’s slow receivers are a major cause of the problem. The rest of the top five doesn’t contain many surprises: Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Michael Vick, and Jason Campbell.
While Flacco and Roethlisberger took 45 combined sacks where they held the ball for more than three seconds, the Manning brothers only had one apiece.
That’s on the quarterback.
Philip Rivers wrote:Apparently I'm ignorant because I can't establish a 'reasonable' reason to why Flacco is better, apparently...Cam Newton isn't getting the RESPECT HE DESERVES FOR BEING SO GREAT.
Messiah wrote:This was from the 2010 season, but not much has changed since. Just go back and look at the final 2 sacks of the game he took against Cincinnati in Week 1 (VISUAL proof for you). Has he gotten better at it? Sure, he utilizes his checkdown option a lot, this mostly because the scheme asks him too. But everybody who has watched Flacco has mentioned how he will hold onto the ball too long and take unnecessary sacks. I thought this was common knowledge.
Except, I guess, for you. But yeah, I'm blowing steam out my ass.![]()
Unlike you, I don't consider everything I say to be gospel. I have my fair share of wrong predictions and whatnot.
Philip Rivers wrote:If they're basically identical passing quarterbacks, one consistently wins more historically and has proven that he can elevate his game during post-season play, why the hell wouldn't I take him 10-10 times? Cam Newton does nothing amazingly great or better than Flacco slinging the pig-skin, outside of his legs....it's nothing.
Therefore how could Cam ever be DEFINTELY better than Joe?
Messiah wrote:
See, you actually presented somewhat of an argument in Flacco's case that goes beyond just 4 postseason games.![]()
Philip Rivers wrote:You're sitting here explaining to me about scheme whenever I completely understand why it's pivotal to use quick passes to naturalize certain defenses and individual defenders in general, as well as it serving numerous other purposes. Stop pretending to know stuff.
Philip Rivers wrote:The chart is a PROVEN statistic from each INDIVIDUAL on a per snap basis my dude. Basically Messiah, what it's saying is Joe Flacco is getting rid of a the ball QUICKER, EFFICENTLY and consistently than most QBs in the league.
Therefore, he's not being 'notorious' for what he's apparently KNOWN for among the people around the NFL with all of this GENERAL KNOWLEDGE.
You're saying it's heavily SCHEME based. For one, if that were true, how do you hold a QB against doing his job well/properly? Secondly, I want to see proof that Joe Flacco in 2014 is throwing more check-down passes/screens/bubbles SIGNIFIGANTLY more than intermediate and long routes.
But he's holding onto the ball too long!
Well, he's only getting rid of it quicker because of his scheme!
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