NFL owners approve change to extra points

[Everlong]

Not sure what to think about this.

[The Legend]

I'm not really a fan of this at all. Teams that play most of their games indoors or in the south won't notice hardly any change, but it has the potential to impact northern teams a lot more - especially late in the season.

[Messiah]

I'm not really a fan of this at all. Teams that play most of their games indoors or in the south won't notice hardly any change, but it has the potential to impact northern teams a lot more - especially late in the season.

Teams that play each other play in the same stadium and same environment. Nobody is going to be at an inherent disadvantage.

[The Legend]

I'm not really a fan of this at all. Teams that play most of their games indoors or in the south won't notice hardly any change, but it has the potential to impact northern teams a lot more - especially late in the season.

Teams that play each other play in the same stadium and same environment. Nobody is going to be at an inherent disadvantage.

@Messiah

Let's envision a scenario for a second. Let's pretend the Houston Texans and Pittsburgh Steelers both enter the final week of the season tied for the final wild card spot. Both teams play at home. The Texans in Texas in a retractable dome and the Steelers outdoors in Pittsburgh.

Now let's pretend for a moment that both teams are entering the late stages of the game down by 6 points. Now the final hypothetical scenario, Houston's dome controls the weather, guaranteeing perfect kicking conditions. What if it's a windy, snowy January day in Pittsburgh that day? The Texans and Steelers both score a late touchdown to tie the game and need to try to go ahead. Are you saying that both teams are affected equally by this rule change? The kick for the Texans (or any team that plays indoors/in the south) is still basically an automatic. The kick which most likely is highly makeable, even in blizzard conditions from the two-yard line at the old extra point spot is now not even worth trying from the 15. Now the NFL is basically forcing the Steelers' hand in taking the extra point away from them and forcing them to go for two to try to win this game that they could need to advance to the playoffs.

It's not just about the two teams in the same stadium. It's about all the games across the league on a given Sunday and how in playoff jockeying they all affect each other. Do you really still think the rule impacts all teams equally?

[DBSoT]

^ If anything the outdoor teams have the advantage. When they play at home they will kick in familiar conditions, but the team traveling to the bad weather will have a tougher time. Unless you get to a tie breaker based on total points scored, your playoff scenario is not correct. Houston's opponent also would kick in a dome, Steelers' opponent in Pittsburgh. The teams with advantage are ones with good kickers.

[The Legend]

^ If anything the outdoor teams have the advantage. When they play at home they will kick in familiar conditions, but the team traveling to the bad weather will have a tougher time. Unless you get to a tie breaker based on total points scored, your playoff scenario is not correct. Houston's opponent also would kick in a dome, Steelers' opponent in Pittsburgh. The teams with advantage are ones with good kickers.

You are missing the whole point. It has nothing to do with the team Houston or Pittsburgh are playing. Those teams have scored all the points they are going to score for the day and are ahead by six points when Pittsburgh and Houston score with less than a minute left in the game. The game comes down to if you make an extra point you win. If you don't you go into overtime and lose the game. That's the scenario I'm talking about, where if that extra point determines if a team goes to the playoffs or not. It's an unfair advantage to teams in the south or in a dome that their kick is most likely going to come in perfectly good weather in early January or December. Teams that play outdoors in the north are at a disadvantage no matter how good their kickers are.

[Messiah]

1. How is that at all different than how things are now? Teams kick field goals outdoors and indoors. So if the advantage is somehow unfair now, then it is unfair regardless of this rule change.

2. The thing is, it isn't unfair. You play the games that you play and the team you play is facing the same conditions that you are. If you lose because you missed an extra point, that sucks but it is the way the cookie crumbles because what it probably means is your opponent kicked that same extra point in the same environment. What another team does elsewhere is irrelevant to your performance. Your opponent is facing the same odds.

[Messiah]

Teams that play outdoors in the north are at a disadvantage no matter how good their kickers are.

So should the NFL take field goals away completely? Because what you are saying has nothing to do with the extra point.

Your opponent is facing the same odds that you are. If your opponent is making the FGs in the same game that you are missing them, then you don't deserve to win.

[The Legend]

1. How is that at all different than how things are now? Teams kick field goals outdoors and indoors. So if the advantage is somehow unfair now, then it is unfair regardless of this rule change.

2. The thing is, it isn't unfair. You play the games that you play and the team you play is facing the same conditions that you are. If you lose because you missed an extra point, that sucks but it is the way the cookie crumbles because what it probably means is your opponent kicked that same extra point in the same environment. What another team does elsewhere is irrelevant to your performance. Your opponent is facing the same odds.

It's just stupid. There's nothing wrong with an extra point being an automatic thing. Football is better with extra points being automatic for everyone, not just half the league. Extra points outdoors in the worst conditions are automatic from the two yard line, just like they are automatic from the 15 in good weather.

[The Legend]

Teams that play outdoors in the north are at a disadvantage no matter how good their kickers are.

So should the NFL take field goals away completely? Because what you are saying has nothing to do with the extra point.

Your opponent is facing the same odds that you are. If your opponent is making the FGs in the same game that you are missing them, then you don't deserve to win.

Field goals aren't extra points. We are talking about extra points. I've never once heard an NFL fan say they want more emphasis and more games decided by freaking extra points. Extra points are stupid. If they were going to make any change they just should have made TD's worth 7 points and got rid of any and all point after touchdown kicks or conversions.

[Messiah]

I don't necessarily disagree with you on that (although I'm not opposed to the rule change). I just don't think it is putting any team at a disadvantage. You play the games that you play and have to deal with the hand you are dealt with ie. snow, rain, wind, etc. At the end of the day, the best teams will still be the cream of the crop.

Field goals aren't extra points. We are talking about extra points. I've never once heard an NFL fan say they want more emphasis and more games decided by freaking extra points. Extra points are stupid. If they were going to make any change they just should have made TD's worth 7 points and got rid of any and all point after touchdown kicks or conversions.

You're missing my point. You are right, field goals aren't extra points. However, you seem to be slamming the rule change because you think it puts outdoor teams at an inherent disadvantage. So I'm asking if you think they should abolish field goals because it's the same thing really. You are naturally going to have a more difficult time kicking outside in the winter than in the indoors.

[Everlong]

I understand the reasoning for changing the extra point, but I'm just resistant to the idea of any kind of change with my football

[The Legend]

I understand the reasoning for changing the extra point, but I'm just resistant to the idea of any kind of change with my football

As long as they don't make the footballs any softer we are good.

[DBSoT]

The extra point was a terrible idea from the inception of football so I am very OK with this. Makes it much more interesting.

[The Legend]

The extra point was a terrible idea from the inception of football so I am very OK with this. Makes it much more interesting.

Much more interesting? They still will make it 97% of the time vs 98% of the time. It will be almost irrelevant in most games, until it isn't in an important one. And again, weather is the lone factor that will make it interesting. Meaning it is affecting certain teams much more than it is other teams.

I don't disagree that the kick is boring and it's pointless. They just should have declared all TD's worth 7 points, there's no going for two and there's no kicking. Just go straight from scoring a touchdown to the kickoff.