Hillary Clinton announces 2016 presidential candidacy

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The first possibly vote-able candidate to announce that they're running!

What do you think her chances are?

[AkydefGoldberg]

I'd say, she's probably the most recognisable candidate the Democrat party has at the moment and I'd say it gives the party a chance to try and retain power but IMO, her chance was in 2009 and think it'll be difficult to re-create that buzz that she had back then.

[ShaneOfan]

Got to be her, or O'Malley for the Dems. So far I think Clinton can beat anyone the Republicans can throw at us.

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Google "Clinton body count".....lol.



Nope. Warhawk billionaire, Balkan Sniper lie, email-gate, whitewater, etc. Nope.



There is still hope! :)

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Google "Clinton body count".....lol.

Then google "Clinton body count Snopes."

Or I'll just save you the time: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

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Google "Clinton body count".....lol.

Then google "Clinton body count Snopes."

Oh no doubt that it's tin-foil hat level. Lot of it is bullshit. Some of them do make sense. You can't deny white-water lmao.

How about Bengahzi?

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TRUMP16

[UTK]

Clinton has the Democratic nomination in the bag. Nobody's going to beat her in the primaries.

As far as the GOP goes, I'm going to assume Jeb Bush will be the Republican nominee, but it'll definitely be a closer primary race than the Democratic one.

Google "Clinton body count".....lol.

Then google "Clinton body count Snopes."

Oh no doubt that it's tin-foil hat level. Lot of it is bullshit. Some of them do make sense. You can't deny white-water lmao.

How about Bengahzi?

Oh, cut the shit. Benghazi was a pathetic attempt by conservative media to hurt Obama and Clinton. There was no credible evidence in favor of the administration covering anything up or anything of that sort.

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I don't get how a Democrat could vote for a Globalist, Big Government Neo-Con lmao. She's an oldschool politician and nobody knows what her views are 100%. She's lied about plenty...like when she said she was broke after leaving the White House. She's a liar now...was a liar in the 70's.



I don't think Rand Paul is perfect...I pray he doesn't go all psycho Libertarian or start rambling like his father did. Ted Cruz, Jeb, those two can go fuck themselves. Only democrat I can stand is Dr. Ben Carson...but he's much more of a speaker than a guy who's good at the X's and O's of politics.

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She's a liar now...was a liar in the 70's.

Aaaaaaand that's also not true. Jesus man, do you believe everything you read?

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don't think Rand Paul is perfect...I pray he doesn't go all psycho Libertarian

Too late for that.

"[I]f you think you have the right to health care, you are saying basically that I am your slave."

"With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies. It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me. It means you believe in slavery. It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses."

"I’m a physician in your community and you say you have a right to health care. You have a right to beat down my door with the police, escort me away and force me to take care of you? That’s ultimately what the right to free health care would be."

“I’m not for profiling people on the color of their skin, or on their religion, but I would take into account where they've been traveling and perhaps, you might have to indirectly take into account whether or not they've been going to radical political speeches by religious leaders. It wouldn't be that they are Islamic. But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that’s really an offense that we should be going after — they should be deported or put in prison.”

“I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines."

“As humans, yeah, we do have an obligation to give people water, to give people food, to give people health care. But it’s not a right because once you conscript people and say, ‘Oh, it’s a right,’ then really you’re in charge, it’s servitude, you’re in charge of me and I’m supposed to do whatever you tell me to do… It really shouldn’t be seen that way."

“We are the party that adheres to the Constitution. We will not let the liberals tread on the Second Amendment! We will fight to defend the entire Bill of Rights. We will stand up against excessive government power wherever we see it. We cannot and will not allow any President to act as if he were a king. We will not let any President use executive orders to impinge on the Second Amendment.”

“Unless you want a government that can enter your house at will, check to see if you have trigger locks, measure the length of your guns and rapidity of their ability to fire, you must oppose violations of the Fourth Amendment like the PATRIOT Act.”

“I’m glad that you’re accepting responsibility. I think ultimately with your leaving that you accept the culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11. And I really mean that. Had I been president and found you did not read the cables from Benghazi and from Ambassador Stevens, I would have relieved you of your post. I think it’s inexcusable.” [comparing Benghazi to 9/11... lmao]

“I never, ever cheated. I don’t condone cheating. But I would sometimes spread misinformation. This is a great tactic. Misinformation can be very important.”

“What I will say is 200 jobs even if they pay minimum wage are a lot better than zero jobs that pay zero dollars,” Paul said. “It is a fact, an economic fact, that when you raise the minimum wage the people who are hurt the worst are minorities and kids.” [uhhh what]

“I think it is important to know that some politician put a tax of $5.85 on a pack of cigarettes so that driven cigarettes underground by making them so expensive. But then some politician also had to direct the police say, ‘hey we want you arresting people for selling a loose cigarette.’ For someone to die over breaking that law, there is really no excuse for it. But I do blame the politicians. We put our police in a difficult situation with bad laws.” [on taxes being the reason for Eric Garner's death]



Dude's just as big of a nutjob as his dad, maybe more so.

The libertarianism of a decade ago is dead. These people are tea party wackos just like the Republicans have become, just under the misleading guise of actually being a legitimate third party option.

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All this thread is doing is making me weep for the future of this country. No matter which side wins its just a horrible state of affairs. To me it has never been about which candidate is better because you ultimately only get two options. If we had expanded options then we could see really change, but at this point its the same as it ever was. Either Republicans win and we see regression do to 4 years of undoing the Obama administration's policies or Dems win and we see 4 years of them fighting a conservative lead Congress. Its a never ending cycle. I also want to add that I am not picking on Republicans, but more what the republican party has become. I used to define myself as Republican but my social ideology doesn't match up, so I changed to libertarian, but even that party is becoming ridiculous. Back to the point of thread, Clinton should be the front runner for the Dems as of now, but I don't see any of the current crop of Rebs being a stand out. I still believe their is a chance Bobby Jindal grabs that spot, but who knows.

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First a black man running the White House, now a woman!!

TARNATION~

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First a black man running the White House, now a woman!!

TARNATION~

Blasphemy I say

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I'm going to throw out a name: Jim Webb. Democrat but pretty right IMO. It's obvious it's Clinton's time for the nomination ofc but I like him.

@Everlong

Yeah that's what I mean. He's not always bad, I like him for a few reasons, let me quote Wikipedia because I'm a moron.

Rand Paul isn't endorsing same-sex marriage, but he supports marriage contracts for same-sex couples.[42]He stated : "You could have both traditional marriage, which I believe in. And then you could also have the neutrality of the law that allows people to have contracts with another.[43]Paul's staffers say he believes the issue should be left to the states to decide.[44][45] He has said he thought that the Supreme Court's ruling in Windsor v. United States, which struck down the portion of the Defense of Marriage Act that defined marriage at a federal level (as between a man and a woman), was appropriate.[46]

In April 2013, in an interview with the National Review, he said, "I'm an old-fashioned traditionalist. I believe in the historic and religious definition of marriage," and "That being said, I'm not for eliminating contracts between adults. I think there are ways to make the tax code more neutral, so it doesn't mention marriage. Then we don't have to redefine what marriage is; we just don't have marriage in the tax code."

Do you think this is very psychotic?

In a 2014 op-ed in Time Magazine, Paul criticized the increased militarization of law enforcement.[48] Paul noted: "When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows the police to become judge and jury—national security letters, no-knock searches, broad general warrants, pre-conviction forfeiture—we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands." Paul believes that the criminal justice system unjustly impacts African Americans, noting that "Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention." Paul believes the militarization of police has been caused by the US Federal Government through subsidies, equipment, and other incentives as well as the drug war by its creation of a "culture of violence".

I agree that he's gone off the deep end before, but you know damn well as the GOP nom he's going to tone it down a bit. His father is a smart man, he just wasn't good at presenting himself. It didn't help that there's no third party whatsover, it's one stooge vs. the other stooge. Like how can you as a Democrat tell me you support Hillary?

Here's an article: I don't know the source 100^% so if it turns out to be false please let me know. I know you give me the snopes links and act like I'm pants on head retarded, but it's better to know nothing and try to learn something than pretend to know everything and learn nothing. Anyway, does this sound like your typical Lib to you, lol?

While the finance industry does genuinely hate Warren, the big bankers love Clinton, and by and large they badly want her to be president. Many of the rich and powerful in the financial industry—among them, Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman, Tom Nides, a powerful vice chairman at Morgan Stanley, and the heads of JPMorganChase and Bank of America—consider Clinton a pragmatic problem-solver not prone to populist rhetoric.

Here's the link: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... z3XKq81eSx

I think she's non geniune. She's a fake populist.

During the 2012 presidential election, Wall Street felt burned by Obama’s rhetoric and regulatory positions and overwhelmingly supported with their money Republican candidate Mitt Romney, co-founder of private-equity firm Bain Capital. Now, though, there’s a significant momentum back behind the Democratic contest. “The money is already behind her,” the Wall Street money manager says. “I don’t think it’s starting to line up behind her: It’s there for her if she wants it.”

She's backed by the big money guys...she's like the stereotypical politican that everybody hates. Somehow people are falling for her shit.

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She's backed by the big money guys...

Literally anyone who gets to the point where they could put together a legitimate presidential run is backed by big money.

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She's backed by the big money guys...

Literally anyone who gets to the point where they could put together a legitimate presidential run is backed by big money.

Clinton's backed by the Wall Street guys - she's your typical conservative. If I took a pile of shit, stamped "Cupcake" on it, it's still a pile of shit. just as if I take a conservative, making him/her a Democrat, it's still a damn conservative damn it. Why would you vote for her? Why not just vote for Ted Cruz lmao? Please don't fall for First Black Prez: The sequel.

Feminist vote
Minority vote
100% Grade A horseshit

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Why would you vote for her? Why not just vote for Ted Cruz lmao?

First, if I really need to answer why I or any person with half a brain would not vote for Ted Cruz then this really isn't going anywhere.

As for voting for her, she right now is the only votable candidate that has announced their candidacy. Ted Cruz is fucking insane, Rand Paul is slightly less insane but still a joke, Marco Rubio stands zero chance at getting his party's nomination.

Right now the Republican party is focused on dragging the country backwards in terms of finance, social justice and basically every other issue there is, and it's because they've been hijacked by tea party wackjobs. While HIllary definitely isn't the best candidate the Democrats could come up with if they really tried, she's certainly going to be a far better option than anyone the right comes up with.

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Also, could you imagine the holy hell that could happen if you put a guy like Rand Paul or Ted Cruz in the white house with a right-leaning congress? Jesus that'd be terrifying.