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"Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby PorkChop » Mar 17, '14, 11:01 am



Kid Cudi had this to say on Arsenio Hall. What do you think about his words?
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby DanielsonTHAGOAT » Mar 17, '14, 11:49 am

This is one of the worst thing's I've ever heard. I can't believe Cudi said that too. I used to be a Cudi fan but he definitely disappointed me highly when he said this. He sounded like a le wrong generation kid.
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby Viazon » Mar 17, '14, 11:54 am

The man has a point. It's fine to like hip-hop. People are free to listen to whatever music they like.

But seriously, when I see talking about swag and YOLO and cars and money and bitches and partying and all that stuff, they just come across as idiots to me. And the fans who do that get that from the artists. He is right when he says people in his position should be setting a better example.
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby Viazon » Mar 17, '14, 11:54 am

DanielsonTHAGOAT wrote:This is one of the worst thing's I've ever heard. I can't believe Cudi said that too. I used to be a Cudi fan but he definitely disappointed me highly when he said this. He sounded like a le wrong generation kid.


What exactly is wrong with what he said?
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby DanielsonTHAGOAT » Mar 17, '14, 12:12 pm

Viazon wrote:
DanielsonTHAGOAT wrote:This is one of the worst thing's I've ever heard. I can't believe Cudi said that too. I used to be a Cudi fan but he definitely disappointed me highly when he said this. He sounded like a le wrong generation kid.


What exactly is wrong with what he said?


Because it's not even true and it's the wrong mentality. People generalize hip hop all the time and don't realize that Hip Hop right now sells more albums out of any other genre and has produced some of the greatest lyricist of all time from this genre.

This mentality that rap is about "Money, cash and hoes" is true on a mainstream level (and in all music eg. in country music with girls and trucks), but to be honest I don't understand the big deal is. Isn't that exactly want everyone wants out of life; love and wealth?

Not only that but if you just listen to the radio then most likely you don't have a good grasp of what the genre sounds like. Those radio records we hear are mean't for party situations/club environments so of course we aren't going to hear a rapper spitting some of his most sophisticated lyrics on a radio single.

Also, the 3 biggest NEW artist in Hip Hop are Drake, Kendrick, and J. Cole - all of which have waaay deeper music than braggadocio Hip Hop. Music is all about the balance. Because life is balanced as well. We all laugh, we all cry(or get sad lol), we all experience various emotions and to me you can't be a successful hip hop artist if you're a conscience rapper all the time but you can't be a successful hip hop artist if you're a braggadocio rapper all the time as well.

2Pac has made braggadocio Hip Hop yet his regarded as one of the greatest to ever do it in the genre. Also, I find this funny coming from Kid Cudi who mostly raps about smoking weed and hasn't displayed lyricism like Kendrick, Drake, or J. Cole.

Music is about balance. Especially in Hip Hop. I don't understand how this is braggadocious Hip Hop or about SWAG, YOLO, etc. Since you said YOLO, Drake isn't setting a good example for Hip Hop? Is he not the global ambassador for the Toronto Raptors? He goes out to schools and talks to kids and motivates them from his spare time. His donated a large sum of money. But Drake isn't a good example for Hip Hop?

Cudi just makes the genre look bad when he says stuff like this. It's almost as if his trying to say "LOL GUYS I MAKE REAL MUSIC EVERYONE ELSE IS POINTLESS!". I mean look at these lyrics from one of the best selling albums of 2012, Good Kid, Maad City by Kendrick Lamar.

"Sometimes I look in a mirror and ask myself:
Am I really scared of passing away? If it's today, I hope I hear a
Cry out from heaven so loud it can water down a demon
With the holy ghost 'til it drown in the blood of Jesus
I wrote some raps that make sure that my lifeline
Reeking the scent of a reaper, ensuring that my allegiance
With the other side may come soon, and if I'm doomed
May the wound help my mother be blessed for many moons
I suffer a lot, and every day the glass mirror
Get tougher to watch; I tie my stomach in knots
And I'm not sure why I'm infatuated with death
My imagination is surely an aggravation of threats"

How is that braggadocio Hip Hop in anyway? Kendrick has party songs too but his a way deeper artist. This is just a classic case of judging a book by it's cover.
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby Viazon » Mar 17, '14, 12:24 pm

Ok, it's that you know a hell of a lot more about hip-hop than me, because you used a lot of words just then and I didn't understand most of them. So I'm not argue with you on some of the stuff you have said. But I am willing to bet that Kid Cudi knows more about hip hop than you. He is part of it and has seen it from the inside. I don't think he was targeting any specific rappers and neither was I. And I'm sure a lot of the rappers you named are good role models and try to do good for the world. But there is a lot of shitty music out there that qualifies under what he was talking about. I just think he feels some of these people are in a position to set a better example.
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby Chewy » Mar 17, '14, 7:56 pm

Idiots hold us back as a culture, not music.

If people want to listen to hip hop, techno, heavy metal or whatever and believe it as gospel, then that's a problem on the listener not the artist or genre.

All the artist is doing is creating a form of music which radiates with them, and then people buy it.
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby Messiah » Mar 17, '14, 8:12 pm

Viazon wrote:The man has a point. It's fine to like hip-hop. People are free to listen to whatever music they like.

But seriously, when I see talking about swag and YOLO and cars and money and bitches and partying and all that stuff, they just come across as idiots to me.


What is wrong with talking about that?
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby Daz » Mar 17, '14, 8:13 pm

Messiah wrote:
Viazon wrote:The man has a point. It's fine to like hip-hop. People are free to listen to whatever music they like.

But seriously, when I see talking about swag and YOLO and cars and money and bitches and partying and all that stuff, they just come across as idiots to me.


What is wrong with talking about that?


I wish I had a little more money and a few more bitches.
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby Kein » Mar 17, '14, 10:46 pm

All I want for my birthday is a big booty ho
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Re: "Hip-Hop is holding us back as a culture"

Postby Chewy » Mar 18, '14, 3:31 am

Kein wrote:All I want for my birthday is a big booty ho


Your booty is fine mate.
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