what does tna need to accomplish for its US attendance to rise?

[Westcoastvibes]

It obvious that they are insanely popular in UK and EU but in the US they are bombing. I honestly don't think writing has a whole lot to do with it because their sales would blow world wide if it was the overall product. So what is it? Advertising? Bigger drawing stars? Gimmick matches? Why do us muricans refuse to buy TNA tickets?

[Georgerv]

It obvious that they are insanely popular in UK and EU but in the US they are bombing. I honestly don't think writing has a whole lot to do with it because their sales would blow world wide if it was the overall product. So what is it? Advertising? Bigger drawing stars? Gimmick matches? Why do us muricans refuse to buy TNA tickets?

Just be different from WWE. The problem for TNA is they are competing for the same fans to attend their shows that WWE are. Most people don't have the money to go to multiple wrestling shows a year, and WWE runs so many house shows and taping all over America that attract tonnes of fans, most people would simply think "why bother?" when TNA comes around.

At this point while yes, TNA are very good, they don't have the star power to attract fans to show, and they're not different enough to have an alternative audience to WWE, so they're not going to be able to compete attendance wise.

Over here however, we have a very limited amount of Wrestling coming to town from the big companies, that we really take advantage when they're here, TNA doesn't have to compete for us to attend, because we only get 3 opportunities to see WWE/TNA a year.

That was kind of a rambling post so I'm sorry if my point has really gotten across

[prophet]

Not suck.

I didn't watch all of the PPV but what I have seen was laughable, I never knew TNA was this bad and honestly after some of the stuff I saw it's unsurprising they can't sell tickets.

First and foremost they had a gigantic hole in the side of the ring. Larger than the standard camera hole, this thing was stupidly big because Samuel Shaw used it to pull Christy Hemme through - surely there could've been another way to get Hemme in the ring with Shaw?! Why didn't anyone (in any of the cage matches) simply climb out of the hole and win the match? Horrible logic. That doesn't even come close to winning the 'stupidest booking of the night' award though. How on earth did Earl Hebner somehow not manage to see Mr Kennedy walking around on the outside of the ring?! Didn't Kennedy take the key from Hebner in the first place?! It literally made no sense to me.

I was really looking forward to seeing Magnus vs Samoa Joe because Joe was always a favourite of mine years ago when I was a big TNA fan and I was looking forward to seeing my countryman as World Champion. It was No-DQ match, right? Why then, did Joe release a submission due to ropebreak during the match?! I thought it was No DQ?!?! I didn't like how they had a 'mysterious figure' pull Joe under the ring only for Joe to re-emerge a minute later - if you're going to end the match like that don't have Joe come back from it a second later. As for Abyss - meh, whatever, way to continue burying your Champion, TNA.

The Lethal Lockdown match made for lethargic viewing. It wasn't excited at the beginning seeing a couple of different handicap matches although it did pick up later on. Finally got to see The Wolves wrestle for the first time and I really enjoyed them and the Willow reveal was something I was really interested to see (really struggled to take the Willow character seriously). We all knew that 'Willow was coming' and I didn't know whether they were going to acknowledge that he was Jeff Hardy or not but Willow's theme was a Jeff Hardy song He also looked exactly like Hardy with a mask on - so it's a meh on Willow but I'll give him time before I made a judgment. Not sure what to make of the ending either, haven't been following the show so yeah - MVP is owner now.

Oh and Bobby Lashley was there too

So yeah, a resounding mehhh from me. I'm sorry about the rant lmao, I don't even know how that happened

[Westcoastvibes]

Not suck.

I didn't watch all of the PPV but what I have seen was laughable, I never knew TNA was this bad and honestly after some of the stuff I saw it's unsurprising they can't sell tickets.

First and foremost they had a gigantic hole in the side of the ring. Larger than the standard camera hole, this thing was stupidly big because Samuel Shaw used it to pull Christy Hemme through - surely there could've been another way to get Hemme in the ring with Shaw?! Why didn't anyone (in any of the cage matches) simply climb out of the hole and win the match? Horrible logic. That doesn't even come close to winning the 'stupidest booking of the night' award though. How on earth did Earl Hebner somehow not manage to see Mr Kennedy walking around on the outside of the ring?! Didn't Kennedy take the key from Hebner in the first place?! It literally made no sense to me.

I was really looking forward to seeing Magnus vs Samoa Joe because Joe was always a favourite of mine years ago when I was a big TNA fan and I was looking forward to seeing my countryman as World Champion. It was No-DQ match, right? Why then, did Joe release a submission due to ropebreak during the match?! I thought it was No DQ?!?! I didn't like how they had a 'mysterious figure' pull Joe under the ring only for Joe to re-emerge a minute later - if you're going to end the match like that don't have Joe come back from it a second later. As for Abyss - meh, whatever, way to continue burying your Champion, TNA.

The Lethal Lockdown match made for lethargic viewing. It wasn't excited at the beginning seeing a couple of different handicap matches although it did pick up later on. Finally got to see The Wolves wrestle for the first time and I really enjoyed them and the Willow reveal was something I was really interested to see (really struggled to take the Willow character seriously). We all knew that 'Willow was coming' and I didn't know whether they were going to acknowledge that he was Jeff Hardy or not but Willow's theme was a Jeff Hardy song He also looked exactly like Hardy with a mask on - so it's a meh on Willow but I'll give him time before I made a judgment. Not sure what to make of the ending either, haven't been following the show so yeah - MVP is owner now.

Oh and Bobby Lashley was there too

So yeah, a resounding mehhh from me. I'm sorry about the rant lmao, I don't even know how that happened

If you watched the whole EU tour then most of the ppv would make sense. For you to say it sucks and then admit to not watching it enough to fully understand what's going on is a bit one sided. The hole in the cage - They have always had large holes to be able to film the cage matches without a close up of chain link fencing in every shot like WWE cage matches have. I admit that it does seem silly as to why people don't just escape from the holes and why shaw is the first person to take advantage of it I don't know, but their cage has always been like that.

For Joe and the hole, Joe emerged from the hole instead of ending the match like that because Joe has been booked as a total bad ass lately and him emerging from the hole fighting just added to that bad ass booking.

MVP is not the owner. Storyline is that he (combined with other financial backers) acquired %50 of TNA shares, dixie and MVP have been fuedind over who is best to control wrestling operations. MVP wanted full control of wrestling and for Dixie to be the office bitch. Well, Dixie is now the office bitch.

Over all I have heard very little complaints about the ppv besides the attendance and abyss' role besides the complaints from people with criticism about something they don't follow or even know enough about to criticize.

Now,
I would say that they need to get back to what put them on the map, being different from wwe but still offer the same product. X-division, kick ass tag teams, insane woman's division, six sided ring and phenomenal matches. And they need to be consistent about this, not 3 month of awesome tag matches and then dissolve the teams

[Buck]

What Georgerv said, as well as change their name, their management, and half their roster.

Why change their name? Because even if they were to improve, their reputation is such in the shitter after all these years that the fans probably still wouldn't buy into it.

[Westcoastvibes]

What Georgerv said, as well as change their name, their management, and half their roster.

Why change their name? Because even if they were to improve, their reputation is such in the shitter after all these years that the fans probably still wouldn't buy into it.

I do agree with the name change, maybe drop TNA and just make it iMPACT! Wrestling.
I also think they need to drop spike, but not right away. Spike is a vital role in them staying on TV, they need to focus on improving their ratings to a point that they have offers from other networks with more exposure and financial backing. Getting away from spike will help them in the long run but only when the time is right.

[Racing Guy]

Yeah they do need a name change. What do you think when you hear the letters TNA? It's not wrestling.

[The Legend]

They need star power and an innovative approach to things that isn't like they are trying to rip off ideas that are 20 years old.

[prophet]

If you watched the whole EU tour then most of the ppv would make sense. For you to say it sucks and then admit to not watching it enough to fully understand what's going on is a bit one sided. The hole in the cage - They have always had large holes to be able to film the cage matches without a close up of chain link fencing in every shot like WWE cage matches have. I admit that it does seem silly as to why people don't just escape from the holes and why shaw is the first person to take advantage of it I don't know, but their cage has always been like that.

For Joe and the hole, Joe emerged from the hole instead of ending the match like that because Joe has been booked as a total bad ass lately and him emerging from the hole fighting just added to that bad ass booking.

MVP is not the owner. Storyline is that he (combined with other financial backers) acquired %50 of TNA shares, dixie and MVP have been fuedind over who is best to control wrestling operations. MVP wanted full control of wrestling and for Dixie to be the office bitch. Well, Dixie is now the office bitch.

Over all I have heard very little complaints about the ppv besides the attendance and abyss' role besides the complaints from people with criticism about something they don't follow or even know enough about to criticize.

Now,
I would say that they need to get back to what put them on the map, being different from wwe but still offer the same product. X-division, kick ass tag teams, insane woman's division, six sided ring and phenomenal matches. And they need to be consistent about this, not 3 month of awesome tag matches and then dissolve the teams

When you say you've heard little complaints about the PPV where does that come from? People you know? Because a few reviews of the show I've read seem to agree with me that Lockdown had quite a few major (hilarious) plotholes. That giant hole in the cage wasn't a camera sized-hole. I've seen camera sized holes before in both WWE and TNA and the one I saw at Lockdown wasn't one - it was instead a laughably over-sized hole put there simply for the purpose of having Shaw pull Christy through and as a result it cheapened the show.

I'll concede that Joe re-emerging from the hole in the ring made him look like a badass but again they've made Magnus (the actual champion) look like a complete bitch yet again. So yeah I'll give you that one but not the stupidly big hole in the cage.

[SortaCreative]

Not be shit.

[Hanley!]

A name change is a logical move - TNA is a cheap sounding title that's going to put a lot of people off. Weirdly it seemed like they were trying to phase that out a few years ago and just call the company 'Impact Wrestling' which is actually a good name. But they haven't actually pulled the trigger in just changing the damn name already.

Showing an alternative product is probably key. And they have the potential to do that they've lost a lot of their older stars and its most fiscally responsible to push a new generation. Not that I think it'll necessarily work out, but there's never been a better time for them to step out of their comfort zone.

It's also about marketing and how they market their shows. It's basically going to take what wrestling desperately needs in general at the moment - innovation. Every major player in America has had the same take on televised wrestling since Nitro. Whoever finally breaks away from that structure has a chance of going places.

[Westcoastvibes]

If you watched the whole EU tour then most of the ppv would make sense. For you to say it sucks and then admit to not watching it enough to fully understand what's going on is a bit one sided. The hole in the cage - They have always had large holes to be able to film the cage matches without a close up of chain link fencing in every shot like WWE cage matches have. I admit that it does seem silly as to why people don't just escape from the holes and why shaw is the first person to take advantage of it I don't know, but their cage has always been like that.

For Joe and the hole, Joe emerged from the hole instead of ending the match like that because Joe has been booked as a total bad ass lately and him emerging from the hole fighting just added to that bad ass booking.

MVP is not the owner. Storyline is that he (combined with other financial backers) acquired %50 of TNA shares, dixie and MVP have been fuedind over who is best to control wrestling operations. MVP wanted full control of wrestling and for Dixie to be the office bitch. Well, Dixie is now the office bitch.

Over all I have heard very little complaints about the ppv besides the attendance and abyss' role besides the complaints from people with criticism about something they don't follow or even know enough about to criticize.

Now,
I would say that they need to get back to what put them on the map, being different from wwe but still offer the same product. X-division, kick ass tag teams, insane woman's division, six sided ring and phenomenal matches. And they need to be consistent about this, not 3 month of awesome tag matches and then dissolve the teams

When you say you've heard little complaints about the PPV where does that come from? People you know? Because a few reviews of the show I've read seem to agree with me that Lockdown had quite a few major (hilarious) plotholes. That giant hole in the cage wasn't a camera sized-hole. I've seen camera sized holes before in both WWE and TNA and the one I saw at Lockdown wasn't one - it was instead a laughably over-sized hole put there simply for the purpose of having Shaw pull Christy through and as a result it cheapened the show.

I'll concede that Joe re-emerging from the hole in the ring made him look like a badass but again they've made Magnus (the actual champion) look like a complete bitch yet again. So yeah I'll give you that one but not the stupidly big hole in the cage.

No, its not people I talk to. Most reviews online and via reddit topics all seam fairly mild compared to past ppvs from TNA.

And for the hole, again, I am not talking about the little holes we puts in the cage for a camera lens to fit into. TNA has always had LARGE holes, big enough for a camera person to lean into or pass the entire camera threw (I would guess 3 feet by 3 feet, maybe a tad smaller). They are normally close to the corner and kinda hidden by the corner post and ring ropes. Now, I am not saying they did not make the hole more user friendly for this match but I am saying that they have always been abnormally large.

Please see links provided from past cage matches

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[Westcoastvibes]

Very interesting read I found on reddit pertaining to TNA and its attendance

http://www.reddit.com/r/TNA/comments/20 ... confidence

I urge you to read it.