Making a Murderer

[SortaCreative]

So i'd heard alot about this from various friends and social media and what not. Decided to watch it.

What the fuck is going on? The whole ten hours my jaw was just wide open.

TIM ANSWER FOR YOUR HOME STATE.

[Everlong]

Yeah obviously Making a Murderer is getting huge national attention right now, but the outrage is ESPECIALLY huge here in Wisconsin right now. People are petitioning to reopen the case, and there's actually a small chance it could happen.

I've only seen four episodes so far but holy FUCK it's fucked up. Especially what they did to Brendan Dassey, that kid got railroaded big time.

[Viazon]

Too many people have been talking about this documentary. My brother has been rattling on about it and it made headlines in the paper here in the UK. I need to see what all the fuss is about.

[War Daddy]

Basically when Tim leaves for long periods of time, bad shit happens.

[PorkChop]

I'm on the second episode. I'm not quite wetting myself in anticipation of the third one, but it's a good watch.

[Everlong]

I'm on the second episode. I'm not quite wetting myself in anticipation of the third one, but it's a good watch.

I think it's either the third or fourth episode where I started getting really pissed off with everything So don't worry, it's coming.

[PorkChop]

I'm on the second episode. I'm not quite wetting myself in anticipation of the third one, but it's a good watch.

I think it's either the third or fourth episode where I started getting really pissed off with everything So don't worry, it's coming.

Yeah, I've just watched episodes 3 and 4 and now I'm mad as fuck.

[Everlong]

I'm on the second episode. I'm not quite wetting myself in anticipation of the third one, but it's a good watch.

I think it's either the third or fourth episode where I started getting really pissed off with everything So don't worry, it's coming.

Yeah, I've just watched episodes 3 and 4 and now I'm mad as fuck.

The Brendan Dassey shit is just unbelievable. Felt so bad for the kid.

[DBSoT]

I watched the whole thing a couple weeks ago and I still am not sure whether Steven Avery did it or not. As bad as the investigation was botched, it is hard to say he is innocent when there really is no other suspect. If I was a juror, I would have a hard time not convicting him. Brendan Dassey is a tougher case, becuase the kid is clearly mentally challenged and was unsure how to answer the cops questioning.

[Everlong]

I watched the whole thing a couple weeks ago and I still am not sure whether Steven Avery did it or not. As bad as the investigation was botched, it is hard to say he is innocent when there really is no other suspect. If I was a juror, I would have a hard time not convicting him. Brendan Dassey is a tougher case, becuase the kid is clearly mentally challenged and was unsure how to answer the cops questioning.

Yeah my takeaway is that whether Avery did it or not, the investigation and prosecution was so utterly fucked up that he never should have been jailed for it. There's more than enough reasonable doubt for him to have stayed free, and I'd rather have a potentially guilty person walk free than a potentially innocent person behind bars.

[DBSoT]

I watched the whole thing a couple weeks ago and I still am not sure whether Steven Avery did it or not. As bad as the investigation was botched, it is hard to say he is innocent when there really is no other suspect. If I was a juror, I would have a hard time not convicting him. Brendan Dassey is a tougher case, becuase the kid is clearly mentally challenged and was unsure how to answer the cops questioning.

Yeah my takeaway is that whether Avery did it or not, the investigation and prosecution was so utterly fucked up that he never should have been jailed for it. There's more than enough reasonable doubt for him to have stayed free, and I'd rather have a potentially guilty person walk free than a potentially innocent person behind bars.

I guess I didn't explain my point well enough. I would lean more towards conviction then anything else. All the evidence placed in front of the jury says that Avery is guilty. The only real argument that Avery's lawyers could make was that the cops screwed up the investigation. There isn't enough evidence to prove the cops framed Avery and there isn't evidence of anyone else being involved. If all the evidence points to one person and there is nothing else to go on, then if I was a juror, I would convict. It is a tough call, but I would need some evidence that points away from Steven Avery.

[SortaCreative]

I watched the whole thing a couple weeks ago and I still am not sure whether Steven Avery did it or not. As bad as the investigation was botched, it is hard to say he is innocent when there really is no other suspect. If I was a juror, I would have a hard time not convicting him. Brendan Dassey is a tougher case, becuase the kid is clearly mentally challenged and was unsure how to answer the cops questioning.

Yeah my takeaway is that whether Avery did it or not, the investigation and prosecution was so utterly fucked up that he never should have been jailed for it. There's more than enough reasonable doubt for him to have stayed free, and I'd rather have a potentially guilty person walk free than a potentially innocent person behind bars.

I guess I didn't explain my point well enough. I would lean more towards conviction then anything else. All the evidence placed in front of the jury says that Avery is guilty. The only real argument that Avery's lawyers could make was that the cops screwed up the investigation. There isn't enough evidence to prove the cops framed Avery and there isn't evidence of anyone else being involved. If all the evidence points to one person and there is nothing else to go on, then if I was a juror, I would convict. It is a tough call, but I would need some evidence that points away from Steven Avery.

There was barely any substantial evidence (in the documentary and left out) that conclusively pointed to Avery.

Also, his lawyers weren't allowed to bring forward any other potential suspects.

[Everlong]

The only real argument that Avery's lawyers could make was that the cops screwed up the investigation. There isn't enough evidence to prove the cops framed Avery and there isn't evidence of anyone else being involved. If all the evidence points to one person and there is nothing else to go on, then if I was a juror, I would convict. It is a tough call, but I would need some evidence that points away from Steven Avery.

You honestly don't think there's at least enough evidence to at least cast reasonable doubt in the case?

Or, a better question, do you think there is enough evidence to say without a shadow of a doubt that Avery is guilty?

If it's a "tough call," then you never, ever convict. That's recklessly negligent and is how innocent people wind up in jail.

[War Daddy]

Keeping the jury inside of Mantiwoc County is what fucked the lawyers. Had they been in Calumet, they had a better chance of winning.

[PorkChop]

If it's a "tough call," then you never, ever convict. That's recklessly negligent and is how innocent people wind up in jail.

When I did jury service, absolutely nobody understood this. We had a couple of people vote guilty because although they weren't sure based on the evidence (or rather, lack of evidence) "he looks like the kind of person to do it" and therefore voted guilty. It was a thoroughly depressing experience.

[The Legend]

If it's a "tough call," then you never, ever convict. That's recklessly negligent and is how innocent people wind up in jail.

When I did jury service, absolutely nobody understood this. We had a couple of people vote guilty because although they weren't sure based on the evidence (or rather, lack of evidence) "he looks like the kind of person to do it" and therefore voted guilty. It was a thoroughly depressing experience.

My experience says that this is the biggest problem with jury trials and is not at all uncommon. It goes even deeper than that though to a subconscious psychological level. Prosecutors are able to play up to jurors desire to live in a safe world, they want to hold someone accountable and punish/get off the streets someone for every crime committed so if the police and prosecutor bring them someone to hold accountable odds are they will.

[PorkChop]

Eight episodes in. The police work is totally fucked up but I'm pretty sure Avery did it anyway.