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[Everlong]

I generally prefer to not have games happening in Week 17 because of the unpredictability involved with resting players. So I would vote to have playoffs weeks 13-16, but if the majority votes the other way then I'm fine with that too.

[The Legend]

It's way too short to have the regular season ending already. I've already voiced my concern. I think having two weeks per playoff round is ridiculous. I've never played in a league that does it that way, because it's so silly that it's completely unheard of. So what if a guy has a good game one week, that's the nature of football and the way it's played. If Peyton Manning goes off on the Chiefs in the Wild Card round for 500 yards and 5 TD's they aren't going to give Andy Reid and the Chiefs a chance to come back the next week and see if they can change the past.

[Everlong]

Oh yeah I'd definitely be against having 2 weeks per round, so if that's the alternative then I'd say just keep it as is. I'm with @The Legend on that. I think I just misunderstood the alternative.

[SKS]

It's way too short to have the regular season ending already. I've already voiced my concern. I think having two weeks per playoff round is ridiculous. I've never played in a league that does it that way, because it's so silly that it's completely unheard of. So what if a guy has a good game one week, that's the nature of football and the way it's played. If Peyton Manning goes off on the Chiefs in the Wild Card round for 500 yards and 5 TD's they aren't going to give Andy Reid and the Chiefs a chance to come back the next week and see if they can change the past.

I don't think it's way too short, 12 games allowed for everyone to play another team once and one team twice. One less regular season game won't change much IMO, it's not a drastic three game subtraction. Almost every league ends in week 13 or week 12 anyway. And what is so silly about two week playoff matches? If it's completely unheard of then it surely wouldn't even be an option...If we're doing promotion/relegation like soccer it's almost the same as championship legs (you play two matches with your opponent). If your team is better than the other team then it should be able to win both weeks. However I'd say it's more competitive because you have to account for both weeks/different player match ups.

The options that I proposed would either to have the semis and finals run from weeks 14-17, or have them run from 13-16, which would eliminate week 17. The playoff matches have been 2 weeks long since the start of the league and only The Legend has voiced concerns over it, so I really don't think it's an issue as no one else has said anything about it. Others have mentioned the week 17 dilemma which is why I wanted us to vote on it.

[The Legend]

I don't know how you can honestly say that subtracting one week and having only 13 games, let alone 12 doesn't change much compared to a 14 week league which is completely standard for a four playoff team format like we have. I mean look at our standings after this week likely plays out.

Romo, Irin and SKS are all securely in the playoffs at this point, but there's one more spot left open and there's currently four teams tied with the same record and two more teams that are just one game behind that mark for that final spot. That's six teams, otherwise known as half the league who could have their entire postseason lives changed by having one more week or not having that Week 14 match up to get into the playoffs.

I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with you at all on this. We should have 14 regular season weeks and then two weeks of postseason play.

[Romo]

Changing it would be fun for mine and @Irin's matchup meaning winner wins regular season champion, I say we change it...

[SKS]

I don't know how you can honestly say that subtracting one week and having only 13 games, let alone 12 doesn't change much compared to a 14 week league which is completely standard for a four playoff team format like we have. I mean look at our standings after this week likely plays out.

Romo, Irin and SKS are all securely in the playoffs at this point, but there's one more spot left open and there's currently four teams tied with the same record and two more teams that are just one game behind that mark for that final spot. That's six teams, otherwise known as half the league who could have their entire postseason lives changed by having one more week or not having that Week 14 match up to get into the playoffs.

I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with you at all on this. We should have 14 regular season weeks and then two weeks of postseason play.

What I was saying is that 12 games allows you to play each team once and one team twice (a rivalry game). More than enough time to make the playoffs if your team is solid enough, and it isn't way too short. Obviously if we add another week, more teams will have a shot, but that's always how it is. The last week is always going to be close in terms of playoff teams regardless if the last week is week 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, or 15. I don't see that as an issue, it isn't like we only had an 8 game regular season. Each team had a chance to beat another team. Regardless some teams are going to be left out despite it being close.

The point of the four playoff teams was to have the two week match ups to have a longer/more meaningful playoffs, and it was set from the start of the league, it wasn't a secret. I apologize if I didn't highlight it - although I mentioned it and it was shown, but I'm not going to change that aspect. It's just a matter of if we have week 17 included or not, which we currently have 3 votes to change it.

[The Legend]

I also want to further show just how close things are for the four teams that after this week are going to be tied for the final playoff spot. After this week's games the tiebreaker is total points scored, HFX currently will have approxiamately 1,140 and Tim has 1,139 - that means one point can decide who is in or out that one extra or one less game matters hugely. Goat is going to be less than 45 points behind HFX and I'm less than 60 points behind. Things are unbelievably close right now.

[The Legend]

I'M TOTALLY AGAINST SHORTENING THE SEASON BY YET ANOTHER WEEK. You are really screwing with people trying to get into the playoffs.

[Romo]

Is there anyway to make the final just one leg? so week 14 and 15 are the semis and then week 16 is the final?

[SKS]

I also want to further show just how close things are for the four teams that after this week are going to be tied for the final playoff spot. After this week's games the tiebreaker is total points scored, HFX currently will have approxiamately 1,140 and Tim has 1,139 - that means one point can decide who is in or out that one extra or one less game matters hugely. Goat is going to be less than 45 points behind HFX and I'm less than 60 points behind. Things are unbelievably close right now.

I get it. Things are close. That is usually the case REGARDLESS of when the season ends. 4 teams will be alive for the final spot in week 13 no matter the results of this week anyway, so it's not a valid argument to say I'm screwing people out of the playoffs by having the regular season end after this week. Yes people are tied. Yes the points are close. If your team wins this week, you have a shot at making it. If your team loses, then you're out. That would be the same situation in week 13 as well, because there would be at most, one game separating the teams and all 6-5 teams would be alive.

@Romo there isn't an option for that. Both have to be 1 week or 2 weeks long.

[The Legend]

I also want to further show just how close things are for the four teams that after this week are going to be tied for the final playoff spot. After this week's games the tiebreaker is total points scored, HFX currently will have approxiamately 1,140 and Tim has 1,139 - that means one point can decide who is in or out that one extra or one less game matters hugely. Goat is going to be less than 45 points behind HFX and I'm less than 60 points behind. Things are unbelievably close right now.

I get it. Things are close. That is usually the case REGARDLESS of when the season ends. 4 teams will be alive for the final spot in week 13 no matter the results of this week anyway, so it's not a valid argument to say I'm screwing people out of the playoffs by having the regular season end after this week. Yes people are tied. Yes the points are close. If your team wins this week, you have a shot at making it. If your team loses, then you're out. That would be the same situation in week 13 as well, because there would be at most, one game separating the teams and all 6-5 teams would be alive.

@Romo there isn't an option for that. Both have to be 1 week or 2 weeks long.

The more weeks you play the more likely things work themselves out so there are less ties. The more space and truer sense you get for how the season were set to play out. And we aren't talking about just Week 12 or Week 13, we are also talking about the season continuing to where it should in Week 14. And no if we end it this week even if I win I don't have a shot at making it because it's impossible to make up a 60 point differential in one week. It isn't impossible however over three weeks.

[SKS]

I also want to further show just how close things are for the four teams that after this week are going to be tied for the final playoff spot. After this week's games the tiebreaker is total points scored, HFX currently will have approxiamately 1,140 and Tim has 1,139 - that means one point can decide who is in or out that one extra or one less game matters hugely. Goat is going to be less than 45 points behind HFX and I'm less than 60 points behind. Things are unbelievably close right now.

I get it. Things are close. That is usually the case REGARDLESS of when the season ends. 4 teams will be alive for the final spot in week 13 no matter the results of this week anyway, so it's not a valid argument to say I'm screwing people out of the playoffs by having the regular season end after this week. Yes people are tied. Yes the points are close. If your team wins this week, you have a shot at making it. If your team loses, then you're out. That would be the same situation in week 13 as well, because there would be at most, one game separating the teams and all 6-5 teams would be alive.

@Romo there isn't an option for that. Both have to be 1 week or 2 weeks long.

The more weeks you play the more likely things work themselves out so there are less ties. The more space and truer sense you get for how the season were set to play out. And we aren't talking about just Week 12 or Week 13, we are also talking about the season continuing to where it should in Week 14. And no if we end it this week even if I win I don't have a shot at making it because it's impossible to make up a 60 point differential in one week. It isn't impossible however over three weeks.

Again, this was set since the start and only you voiced your concerns once two weeks ago, and today. No one else seemed to care, but some were concerned about week 17 being included which is why I asked today. I'm not going to change the 2 week format. Everyone had a chance to say something but it wasn't a problem to anyone else. "Where it should end" is an objective description. How is it impossible? I scored 145 one week and my opponent scored about 80. That's 65 points in one week.

[The Legend]

I also want to further show just how close things are for the four teams that after this week are going to be tied for the final playoff spot. After this week's games the tiebreaker is total points scored, HFX currently will have approxiamately 1,140 and Tim has 1,139 - that means one point can decide who is in or out that one extra or one less game matters hugely. Goat is going to be less than 45 points behind HFX and I'm less than 60 points behind. Things are unbelievably close right now.

I get it. Things are close. That is usually the case REGARDLESS of when the season ends. 4 teams will be alive for the final spot in week 13 no matter the results of this week anyway, so it's not a valid argument to say I'm screwing people out of the playoffs by having the regular season end after this week. Yes people are tied. Yes the points are close. If your team wins this week, you have a shot at making it. If your team loses, then you're out. That would be the same situation in week 13 as well, because there would be at most, one game separating the teams and all 6-5 teams would be alive.

@Romo there isn't an option for that. Both have to be 1 week or 2 weeks long.

The more weeks you play the more likely things work themselves out so there are less ties. The more space and truer sense you get for how the season were set to play out. And we aren't talking about just Week 12 or Week 13, we are also talking about the season continuing to where it should in Week 14. And no if we end it this week even if I win I don't have a shot at making it because it's impossible to make up a 60 point differential in one week. It isn't impossible however over three weeks.

Again, this was set since the start and only you voiced your concerns once two weeks ago, and today. No one else seemed to care, but some were concerned about week 17 being included which is why I asked today. I'm not going to change the 2 week format. Everyone had a chance to say something but it wasn't a problem to anyone else. "Where it should end" is an objective description. How is it impossible? I scored 145 one week and my opponent scored about 80. That's 65 points in one week.

It wasn't explained at the start well at all or I would have voiced my concern then. I've never heard of two week playoff match ups and a league starting the playoffs this early ever before so I never checked on it. Also, I'm not talking about scoring 60 points more than my opponent. I'm talking about winning the tiebreaker which means scoring 60 points more than BOTH Tim and HFX I guarantee that isn't likely.

Whatever this whole thing is stupid. I can guarantee that without MAJOR CHANGES to how this league is operated and a FAR GREATER explanation of the rules from the beginning I won't be in any PubTalk league next year.

[Everlong]

I've never even heard of having a 2 week per round format for playoffs. My fault for not looking at it more closely earlier I guess, but I really don't like that format at all.

What I typically do for my leagues is have weeks 14-16 be playoffs with 6 teams getting in, seeds 1 and 2 get a bye in week 14 then round two in week 15 and round three in week 16.

[SKS]

I also want to further show just how close things are for the four teams that after this week are going to be tied for the final playoff spot. After this week's games the tiebreaker is total points scored, HFX currently will have approxiamately 1,140 and Tim has 1,139 - that means one point can decide who is in or out that one extra or one less game matters hugely. Goat is going to be less than 45 points behind HFX and I'm less than 60 points behind. Things are unbelievably close right now.

I get it. Things are close. That is usually the case REGARDLESS of when the season ends. 4 teams will be alive for the final spot in week 13 no matter the results of this week anyway, so it's not a valid argument to say I'm screwing people out of the playoffs by having the regular season end after this week. Yes people are tied. Yes the points are close. If your team wins this week, you have a shot at making it. If your team loses, then you're out. That would be the same situation in week 13 as well, because there would be at most, one game separating the teams and all 6-5 teams would be alive.

@Romo there isn't an option for that. Both have to be 1 week or 2 weeks long.

The more weeks you play the more likely things work themselves out so there are less ties. The more space and truer sense you get for how the season were set to play out. And we aren't talking about just Week 12 or Week 13, we are also talking about the season continuing to where it should in Week 14. And no if we end it this week even if I win I don't have a shot at making it because it's impossible to make up a 60 point differential in one week. It isn't impossible however over three weeks.

Again, this was set since the start and only you voiced your concerns once two weeks ago, and today. No one else seemed to care, but some were concerned about week 17 being included which is why I asked today. I'm not going to change the 2 week format. Everyone had a chance to say something but it wasn't a problem to anyone else. "Where it should end" is an objective description. How is it impossible? I scored 145 one week and my opponent scored about 80. That's 65 points in one week.

It wasn't explained at the start well at all or I would have voiced my concern then. I've never heard of two week playoff match ups and a league starting the playoffs this early ever before so I never checked on it. Also, I'm not talking about scoring 60 points more than my opponent. I'm talking about winning the tiebreaker which means scoring 60 points more than BOTH Tim and HFX I guarantee that isn't likely.

Whatever this whole thing is stupid. I can guarantee that without MAJOR CHANGES to how this league is operated and a FAR GREATER explanation of the rules from the beginning I won't be in any PubTalk league next year.

I mentioned the 4 team playoff format with 2 week match ups the night of the draft with everyone in the draft chat. 4 teams go up in promotion, so 4 teams would be in the playoffs. The rules are not private and if you chose, you could have checked the settings, they weren't changed abruptly with no notice.

What is so bad about how the league is operated? I have fractional scoring, no home field advantage +5 points. What should I have done, written up a detailed explanation of the playoff bracket that you could easily see yourself on the league home page? I told everyone in the chat that night and the settings are always public.

[The Legend]

I truly have no recollection of you explaining the playoff format at all and if you did I must have thought you just meant the the playoffs would be four teams with it last two weeks total for two rounds.

And yeah, the format is public, but literally every fantasy football league I have played in over 10 years has operated exactly the same so I never check the format because it's just standard.

[SKS]

And yeah, the format is public, but literally every fantasy football league I have played in over 10 years has operated exactly the same so I never check the format because it's just standard.

Okay well, that's great and all but the standard settings for ESPN also don't include fractional scoring, and implement a +5 home field advantage points system. It's not like I wouldn't have explained the playoff bracket more thoroughly if anyone asked. Plus it was publicly viewable since day 1. I understand why you would be mad if today was the first time the bracket was shown, but it's been up for close to 15 weeks so I don't see the issue. It just came to my attention that week 17 was included in the playoffs a couple weeks ago but didn't want to change it since only 3 people mentioned that they wanted it changed. 4 of the 7 that it affects now have said they wouldn't want week 17 included, so today I changed it.

[The Legend]

I'm not sure where you came up with four people saying they want it changed. Pretty sure it's just you. That's really shady to just up and change the length of the league all of a sudden, when it was known how long it was all along since it was public and everything.

I mean yeah that's the logic you were using on me right? I mean come on, no league only lasts 12 weeks for the regular season. That's ridiculous, that's only two-thirds of the entire NFL regular season.

[The Legend]

Not to mention you are totally changing the way the end of the season wraps up by just omitting an opponent for people now. Now, myself and HFX have to try to beat each other to get a win to get into the playoffs in our suddenly announced last game. Tim has to beat somebody playing for playoff positioning and ThaGoat gets to play GNR, who isn't even trying any more. I mean seriously, how is it fair to go into the last week and just change the end of the season? This is truly pathetic.