50 people confirmed dead at the time of writing, which overtakes the 2016 Pulse nightclub shooting in which 49 people were killed.
200 injured as well. Absolutely tragic. Some of the footage in circulation is quite difficult to watch.
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Hanley! wrote:It'll be interesting to find out more details of this case - what the shooters motivations were. It's a devastating tragedy no matter what the shooters reasons were, and nothing is going to make this one sting any less. But if this wasn't an act of terrorism, that means five dozen people just died because a nutcase had easy access to a firearm. And the only country in the world where this regularly happens will say that there's nothing that can be done about it.
Hanley! wrote:I can only imagine how some of the Americans here feel about that, because it makes my blood boil and I've never even stepped foot in the country.
VaderBomb wrote:Neither prayers nor gun control nor domestic surveillance are the answer for these awful situations that are continuing to become more and more prevalent as our lives move forward. There is no current answer because the major questions are still unanswered. Who organizes and structures these events? Who benefits the most?
Instead of immediately proposing an "answer", let us dig a lot deeper with the questions. Please do not misinterpret my words. Positivity is power, but unless we continue to question the happenings in this world we're just positive pawns.
Hanley! wrote:VaderBomb wrote:Neither prayers nor gun control nor domestic surveillance are the answer for these awful situations that are continuing to become more and more prevalent as our lives move forward. There is no current answer because the major questions are still unanswered. Who organizes and structures these events? Who benefits the most?
Instead of immediately proposing an "answer", let us dig a lot deeper with the questions. Please do not misinterpret my words. Positivity is power, but unless we continue to question the happenings in this world we're just positive pawns.
Why is gun control not the answer?
I understand why prayer is not the answer. America has just as much prayer as Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, Continental Europe. But it still has far more gun deaths and particularly more mass shootings than any of those places. So yes, prayer certainly is not the answer. It's just an easy way to sound respectful while doing nothing of worth.
But America does have way less gun control than any of those places. It's not hard to see the correlation. Lets stop making this debate more complicated than it is. Less guns = less gun deaths. End of story. There's a simple solution here and it's time to actually fucking do something about it. The time for introspection ended 100,000 dead Americans ago. It's insanity that your government has managed to convince people that they're doing the best they can by doing literally fucking nothing.
This has been a large international conversation that's now been playing out for a couple of decades. It's not time to ask more questions. This subject has been danced around forever at this point. To fail to take action now would show (and sadly will show) a shocking ambivalence to the loss of these lives.
The Legend wrote:^^^ Guns aren't a right. I'm sick of seeing that. Only the most ignorant and half-hearted reading of our Bill of Rights can come away with a person saying that the Second Amendment guarantees citizens the right to own guns and prevents gun control. In fact, the principle of gun control is right in the wording of the Second Amendment: "a well-regulated militia". Getting past the attempt to define the word militia for a moment, let's just start well-regulating any and every one that wants to own a gun. Not just in proving you are fit to buy a gun, but proving on a monthly basis that you are still fit to own a gun through psychological testing and other examinations of a person's life.
As for the rest of your post, I'm not about to turn this tragedy into some wild conspiracy theory about government being bad.
All of that being said, I don't really think gun control should be the end all be all to this problem. Because laws keeping people from owning guns isn't the problem. The true issue is this, yearly in America there are more incidents in which four or more people are killed by a single shooting incident than there are days in the year. The question I have to ask is how have we reached a point as an American society that nearly 500 different people in our society every year can be so oppressed, so forgotten, so downtrodden, so neglected, so hopeless and so ignored that they wake up one morning and decide the best thing they can do with their day is pick up a gun and kill as many people as they can shoot before turning the gun on him/herself? You want to truly reduce the amount of violence and anger in American society, then you care enough to ask that question, you care enough to seek out the answer and then you care enough to take action to start fixing the true problems tearing at the fabric of our nation.
VaderBomb wrote:I don't care much about guns personally, but it's a right and many times these situations are used to manipulate people into giving their rights up. That is not the answer.
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