NAACP Trans-racial scandal

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http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/12/spoka ... ake-black/

It is very disturbing that she has become so dishonest,” Rachel’s mother Ruthanne Dolezal told the Cour d’Alene Press, which first reported the story. Ruthanne says her daughter is actually of Czech, German, and Swedish heritage, with trace Native American blood as well."

Not only is Rachel not black, her parents say, but she also deliberately altering her appearance to look like she is.

I've been watching Libs trying to explain how you can be born the wrong gender, but not the wrong race.



What's your opinion on this? Do you think it's real? Should she be kicked out lol?

[SlightlyJames]

It's a strange one to approach. I don't really think your comparison to trans gender people fits at all. Whether someone is born male or female is a coin flip in the womb and for the most part is inconsequential. Someone's race is more ingrained in their heritage and culture, it's not something you can change on your own whim. To me, there are wider implications of doing that outside of the way that one person feels. Despite the fact that in both cases they are not biologically what they want to become, I definitely don't think the situations are the same.

Now, normally, despite my admitted lack of understanding on situations like these I generally adopt the mindset that it isn't really anything to do with me anyway and let people get on with their own shit. But if the contents of this article are true, this woman seems to have some bizarre issues.

Not only has she apparently been making efforts to alter her appearance to be more black, she's also claiming that a man she is unrelated to is her father, and that her adoptive brother is her son? I couldn't imagine what would lead a person to act like this, especially as it would seemingly be a rejection of her legitimate parents and heritage.

This is further complicated by the fact that she is apparently the head of a branch of the NAACP. Now, I'm not an ethnic minority so I can't fully understand how someone would feel being represented in that manner by someone who wasn't legitimately born into their culture. It could be a non-issue or it could be pretty significant, perhaps someone else can shed some light on that aspect.

It's certainly an intriguing situation and not one I'll pretend to fully understand, I'll probably look into it later down the line to see if there's been any resolution.

[DanielsonTHAGOAT]

I've been watching Libs trying to explain how you can be born the wrong gender, but not the wrong race.

Hands down, the dumbest fucking thing I've read in my life.

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Personally, I don't really mind if a white woman wants to support race pimps like the NAACP. That's cool, whatever, you go gurl, with those African studies degrees and shit. I'm not your average black guy though so I'm not sure if this is being taken like someone wearing black face, which is a no-no.

To be fair to me here, lol, I wasn't the guy making the initial trans-sexual comparison, it was sparked because of the whole Caitlyn Jenner stuff. Gender/race are not social constructs, they're biological, and when you see that "gender is a social construct" crowd reacting to this topic it creates some interesting...idk, conflict, between like-minded people.

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I've been watching Libs trying to explain how you can be born the wrong gender, but not the wrong race.

Hands down, the dumbest fucking thing I've read in my life.

I'm not going to go into it because I''m trying not to get banned again lol but it's true that they have been really, really indecisive about this shit. One moment, we're all equal, race is a social construct, the next minute, someone's saying that there's differences between the races and that you can't pretend to be a different race. it's interesting. It could either be laughed at or the new "trans" trend.

[SlightlyJames]

To be fair to me here, lol, I wasn't the guy making the initial trans-sexual comparison, it was sparked because of the whole Caitlyn Jenner stuff. Gender/race are not social constructs, they're biological, and when you see that "gender is a social construct" crowd reacting to this topic it creates some interesting...idk, conflict, between like-minded people.

Gender is a social construct, though. It's about identity pertaining to Masculinity and Femininity, that involves the biological sex as well as the social implications of Male/Female roles in society.

Like I said, though, someone wanting to change their gender is a very personal thing and has little effect outside of the personal identity of one individual. Someone changing their race is a much more complicated issue that has to take far wider issues of culture and ancestry into account.

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Gender roles exist for a reason. It's just playing to our strengths/weaknesses. It's not at all a social construct. Women and men have different hormone levels and different ways of thinking. I'm not 100% sure on this, but isn't the whole gender identity disorder thing diagnosed by psychologists? It's not like you get an MRI that says "Yep, female brain herp-derp", and that's it. The whole idea that they should get a sex change is a symptom of the mental disorder. And the sex change is still a procedure that's rarely ever recommended and most doctors advise against it. There's no such thing as a female brain in a man. I don't know why something being called a "mental illness" is such an insult. I've had depression before, had to take meds, that's a mental illness. But believing you're another gender isn't? Is it not delusion?

The whole race thing...with her, being "trans-racial..." it's uncomfortable, yeah, but no more uncomfortable than gender identity. But again, it's just more delusion. I might bleach my skin to fit in more with other people with my views. You'd think I'm delusional for doing so. I've enjoyed this story because of how it tells a very painful truth to people, that a common delusion is still just that, delusion. She's not really hurting anyone by pretending to be black, just like Caitlyn Jenner's not hurting anyone transitioning into a female. I wonder how this will ultimately turn out. Maybe she'll get fired. Maybe she won't.

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Shouldn't double post but I realize that gender affects people socially and is an identity thing, too. I'm not heartless.

[Matteo]

It's not at all a social construct.

I vehemently disagree with this. Yes, biologically, men and women are different, this we know of, and it's patently indisputable. However, everything else is absolutely a social construction. Using gender and race to organise a society is, at its fundamental core, social constructionism. Further, why do we need gender roles? You say it exists for a reason, but this implies there is an intrinsically objective rationale for having gender roles and this is simply a fallacy. Males and females playing a role in their community is simply society's way of attempting to maintain a cohesive, hierarchal and orderly structure, as any sociologist would tell you. It's all been constructed for a reason. Ergo, it is socially fabricated. The very idea of having a society that discerns men and women differently or blacks and white differently is not biologically innate to us as species. In fact, there is nothing indwelling whatsoever in stating that men and women have inherently distinctive roles that is confined to their respective gender. It is all a social construction.

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Not many times do I disagree with you Matteo, but this is one of them. Women aren't as strong as men. Men aren't as good with children, when compared to women. These roles are pre-defined. The Male Lion sits on his ass all day busting nuts and the female lion does the hunting. That happens for a reason. Just like why men go off to war or work more physically streneous jobs. Is it something that affects us socially? Yeah. But gender roles, and who we are, is a biological construct. If society went ass-backwards, we'd be reverting to the strong man, supportive woman, type of relationship.

[PorkChop]

Gender/race are not social constructs, they're biological

You're conflating gender with sex. Whilst sex is biological, gender is not.

I don't know why something being called a "mental illness" is such an insult. I've had depression before, had to take meds, that's a mental illness. But believing you're another gender isn't? Is it not delusion?

It's an insult when it's not a mental illness. People who are transgender are not sick, they just want to live their lives as they wish to. Why are you so insistent on denying them of that right? Why does it bother you so much?

Women aren't as strong as men. Men aren't as good with children, when compared to women. These roles are pre-defined.

This is complete tripe.

The Male Lion sits on his ass all day busting nuts and the female lion does the hunting. That happens for a reason. Just like why men go off to war or work more physically streneous jobs. Is it something that affects us socially? Yeah. But gender roles, and who we are, is a biological construct

I hate to break it to you, but women also go off to war and go to work. This is the 21st century, mate.

[SortaCreative]

There's something really wrong with the way you think.

I hope you don't breed.

I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[Daz]

Not many times do I disagree with you Matteo, but this is one of them. Women aren't as strong as men. Men aren't as good with children, when compared to women. These roles are pre-defined. The Male Lion sits on his ass all day busting nuts and the female lion does the hunting. That happens for a reason. Just like why men go off to war or work more physically streneous jobs. Is it something that affects us socially? Yeah. But gender roles, and who we are, is a biological construct. If society went ass-backwards, we'd be reverting to the strong man, supportive woman, type of relationship.

They aren't pre-defined in the slightest. I'm excellent with children . I'm shit at lifting heavy things. And your bullshit about men going off to war and doing physically strenuous jobs is straight out of the 1950's and is frankly, an outdated viewpoint. It's also very specific to Western culture.

There are plenty of African tribes were the roles are reversed, and the women provide for their families, whilst the men look after the children.

[Daz]

There's something really wrong with the way you think.

I hope you don't breed.

I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Hey, I know @Porkchop is from a dark, horrible, disgusting place in the world, but that's no way to talk about him.

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[Messiah]

I'm not your average black guy though

Sigh.

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There's something really wrong with the way you think.

I hope you don't breed.

I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Lol you can disagree with me but that's a bit uncalled for.

[Matteo]

Women aren't as strong as men.

How does this substantiate your assertion? The very notion of any society valuing or espousing strength, is, of itself, a social construct.

Men aren't as good with children, when compared to women. These roles are pre-defined.

There is absolutely no empirical evidence out there that supports this ill-founded, conjectural and heavily distorted argument. These roles are absolutely not predefined. A woman staying at home all day and looking after her child while the men goes off to work is social constructionism at its most patent. To say they're predefined suggests that woman are intrinsically better at caring for children than men are. Again, this is arrant, borderline speculation. It may seem 'predefined' to you, but in actuality, it is a product of hundreds and hundreds of years of sociological evolution, mostly rooted in previous patriarchally hierarchical societies. Moreover, having a 'role' in society is socially constructed - it is a form of social organisation.

You simply can not argue that one thing is biologically constructed while you're discussing the salience of 'roles' in society. It completely contradicts your argument.

Just like why men go off to war or work more physically streneous jobs.

Please, tell me, how is this NOT a social construct? Are you saying that it is in men's inherent nature to go off to war and work more physically strenuous jobs? War is a product of social conflict. Work and labor are salient component to social living. These concepts are constructions, not innate to our biological inclinations.

But gender roles, and who we are, is a biological construct

Again, as soon as you start talking about 'roles', you're just being completely inconsistent with your argument. Actually, you're being antithetical to it.

[SKS]

This whole story is so bizarre that I don't even know how to form an opinion on it.

So here's a post of a puppy: